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Jill Chastot
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:37:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I do agree with the idea as it would mean more htfu in wspace. Wspace people can make a lot of isk and the space does not have local. It should be mysterious and unknown. I do understand people position to farm in peace but i do not understand your spirit of wspace.
Please don't reduce this change to be something as simple as PvE vs PvP mindset,
There is no equality in this change, it allows a headstart for people who roll into others, they have a good X long headstart where (bar a lucky server tick where the scout is seen on dscan) there is no way to even proactively defend onself.
There is no fun in playing an unwinnable game, it is frustrating when you do something wrong yes, but you can take lessons away and learn from it.
Here we have a situation where by chance if RNGesus hates/loves you and you roll into or someone rolls into you, stuff will die.
Nothing to learn, nothing to improve,
Wheres the attraction in that? I enjoy the hunt, and agree currently things aren't in a perfect state but are we really going to go down the track where kills come from bad/good luck? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:41:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I think what this change will do is not bigger praying on the weaker but rather stopping the log off gangs in favor of rolling gangs.
Beacuase EvE players never take the easier option  https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
244
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:43:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Overall I think the idea is also crap.
To recap as others have pointed out.
1. A PVP adverse group can easily roll their connection before you have a chance to scan them down. 2 You might as well remove grav sites as nobody in their right mind would ever mine again. Now I'm not a fan of Mining, but I respect those who do (and do enjoy occasionally running into them).
Now IMO a relatively easy comprimise is as follows. If I understand correctly the overlay scanner already only scans every 60 seconds? So at most there is a 1 minute delay. So just up the scanning interval. Say 15 minutes. You don't have to try and strip it out just for WH space, but it largely negates its use as a passive intel tool in all space.
And Mynnna, please keep your nose out of areas you have no understanding. A WH "ESS" is just a total BS idea given the nature of WH income to begin with.
I think hes trolling a bit, because to be fair when Null complained about the ESS and its badness, some chaps decided to... "creatively" use it in Wspace https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
244
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:49:00 -
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Although, to be fair and not a moaning soul i will propose an idea that i think may help,
Scan probes currently have a fixed scanning time, if we were to alter this to have a probe that is scanning a 16 AU range take longer than a 0.5 AU range it would achieve a similar effect to what is happening here.
BUT it would leave the option for
- knowing signature mechanics and its effect on spawns, - having an option to find k162's if you are looking, - having a tradeoff between difficulty, effort and reward - still having a degree of stealth to attackers
edit- kill that stupid P.o.S discovery spinning crap https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:48:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:[quote=Tyrant Scorn] Ok I am going to explain it to you like I would to a five year old. CCP has stated time and time before that there should be NO SAFE or fair spot in EvE. Not even in high sec, there should be risk and reward everywhere. W-Space is at the top of that risk-reward pyramid, it should be very dangerous and very profitable. However, due to the CONSTANT skill point creep of the player base it got to the point that if you collapse all connections and drop probes then it becomes fairly safe. Understand?
Whats wrong with a fair game? You'd rather imbalance? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
249
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:55:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:No I don't like this. If someone takes the effort of dropping probes and actively watching them, there's zero reason why they should not be able to detect new sigs immediately. This change would swing it too fart the other way.
Probes should detect the sigs immediately, overlay needs a delay.
Overlay needs to go die in a hole quietly. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
250
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:03:00 -
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Bjurn Akely wrote:OK...
How about a substantial delay before the sigs automatically show up on scanner, all across the board? Say 30 minutes for every class of hole. But you can probe them with probes from spawn. No delay for probing. At all. Zero. None.
I people don't want to Probe-Scan because they thing it is bad game-play... fine. Don't. Sig shows up anyway. Eventually. And those that wants to have a securer op can probe-spam should they so choose.
Choice is good, right?
TLDR: go pre Odyssey. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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